I'll do year-end homecoming!

寮の兵糧も底を尽きたので，
実家に帰らせていただきます． :P
1/4には帰るつもり．
[Hum, I have no something to eat.
So, I'll do it. :P
And then, I'll come back at 1/4.]

それでは，良いお年を！ :)
[Happy holiday! :)]

elgooG is NOT Google!

某所からテンプレートを入手したので，少しテーマを変えてみた．
飽きたら戻します． :P
[I have got the template.
So, I tweaked it which you see.
Kinda flavor changed.
If it go off, I'll try other flavor. :P]

Funny definition of OSs.

ブツをビルドにかけている間，
Urban Dictionaryを見ていた．
以下，ヘボ訳．
[When My box is compiling, I had browsed Urban Dictionary.
These are silly translation.]
===================================================
1. linux
もし，OSが航空会社を運営していたら．．．

UNIX Airways
　彼らは空港に，飛行機の部品を持ち寄ります．
　そして皆，それぞれの飛行機の部品を持ったまま滑走路に赴き，
　これらの部品でどんな飛行機を造るか止むこと無く議論し続けます．

Air DOS
　皆で飛行機が滑空するまで押し，
　これに飛び乗り，再び地面に行くまで飛行機を滑降させる．
　そして滑空するまで飛行機を押し，飛び乗り．．．

Mac Airlines
　全ての客室乗務員，操縦士，手荷物係，
　それから窓口係が全く同じ行動をします．
　何の質問しても，彼らは紳士的に然して毅然と，
　「お客さまは何も知る必要はございません，
　知ろうとしない方が良いでしょう．
　お客さまを煩わせる事無く万事順調に運ばせて頂きます．
　ですから，お黙り下さい．」

Windows Air
　ターミナルは非常に綺麗です．
　客室乗務員達はとても友好的です．
　手荷物チェックと手続きも簡単です．
　すんなりと空の旅に出掛ける事が出来ます．
　離陸十分後には何の警告も無しに，機体が爆発します．

Windows NT Air
　殆ど Windows Air と同じですが，少しお高めです．
　大型の機体を用いる為，半径40マイル（約65キロメートル）以内の
　全ての航空機を巻き込んで機体が爆発します．

Windows XP Air
　XP Air の航空機は XP Air と契約した空港にのみ立ち寄ります．
　全ての航空機は同様にカラフルで普通の三倍の大きさです．

　XP Air の課す契約は厄介で，
　外套に身を包んだトンガリ帽子の誰かが貴方を付け回します．
　貴方の預けた荷物と衣服は，
　他の利用客と全く同一のXP Air 特製の制服とスーツケースになり，
　この費用の費用として多額のチケット代が課せられます，
　飛行機は貴方がこれに契約するまで離陸しません．
　フライト中の暇つぶしは一つのミッキーマウスのアニメだけの繰り返し．
　食事中の飲物が欲しければ，
　旅行代理店に電話で連絡しなければなりません．
　フライト中は定期的に身体検査が行われます．
　もし，トイレに二回かそれ以上行けば，新たにチケット代を請求されます．

　どんな行き先を指定しても，カナダのウィスラーに不時着します．

Linux Air
　これらのOS航空会社に不満な従業員達は，
　彼ら自身で航空会社を立ち上げる事にしました．
　彼らは，飛行機，入場券売場を造り，走路自体を舗装します．
　チケットを印刷する費用をまかなう為にわずかな料金を請求しますが，
　利用客は自らチケットをダウンロードして，印刷する事が可能です．

　機内では，
　取り付けられていないシート，四本のボルト，レンチ，
　そしてシート-HOWTO.htmlのコピーが渡されます．
　一度これが解決出来れば，完全に調整可能な席は快適です．
　機体は定刻に何の問題も無く発着し，機内食は美味しいでしょう．
　この航空会社の利用客は，
　他の航空会社の利用客にこの楽しい空の旅を語ろうとしますが，
　彼らが言う事が出来るのは「あなたは席はどんな感じ？」．

失礼しました．
以上がLinuxについての分かり易い考え方であり，
作者不明のまま長きに渡って有ったモノです

話は変わりますが，Linux は Kenerlです．
他の GNU/GPL なソフトウェア達が OS 以外の部分を構成します．
GNU/Linux は弁護士が法廷で使う用語です．
===================================================

話は変わりますが，「めりーくりすます」 :P
[BTW, "Marry Christmas". :P]

Salvage in my stuffs.

PCの大掃除がてら，昔のブツを色々整理している．
[For cleaning up my PC data,
I'm salvaging in my old HDD.]

高専時代の卒業研究論文とかレポートとか色々出て来たし，
陰陽道に関する考察だの吸血鬼に関する考察だのヨクワカランモノも出てきた．:P
[So,
I found my associate thesis when I was a student of ONCT.
And then, I found "a speculation about yin and yang" and
"a speculation about the vampire" or so, too. :P]

取り敢えず，高専時代の卒業研究論文はPARRの方にアップしてある．
その他のレポートやら怪文書は封印する方向で．
読みたいって言う奇特な方が居れば公開するかも．
勿論，手直しして，だけど． :P
[Meanwhile,
my associate thesis was uploaded at PARR.
The others will be sealed off.
If someone want to read it, it may be uploaded at PARR, maybe.
Of cource, I'll fix it before these upload. :P]

¥525,000 and ¥25,000. which do you like?

お高いブツとお安いブツ．
性能は価格に比例するのかもしれない．
でも，セルフコンパイルとかそれっぽくないなぁ．:P
[High priced one and low priced one.
Its performance might be propotional to each price.
Though, self-compiling sounds like not kinda. :P]

Static declaration of 'GonyoGonyo' follows non-static declaration!

gcc-4.x.xを使うと，
良くタイトルみたいなメッセージのエラーを見る． :(
[When we use gcc-4.x.x,
it'll has a lot of the things like the title.:(]

12/20 02:47:04 nixnut
    mmm, how does one fix this?
    -> http://pastebin.com/470413
    (apart from stopping being an fool and trying gcc-4.0.2)
12/20 03:16:13 hiyuh
    nixnut: did you use >=gcc-4?
12/20 03:17:06 hiyuh
    if so, i have seen like this, too.
12/20 03:17:14 nixnut
    hiyuh: yup
12/20 03:28:10 nixnut
    it's just a stupid little header problem,
    but I can't make heads or tails of it :|
12/20 03:31:31 hiyuh
    hum, /usr/include/asm/bitops.h has little description
    of this ffs definition. 
12/20 03:33:09 nixnut
    yeah, same description is in /usr/include/linux/bitopts.h.
    Doesn't tell me anything
12/20 03:35:19 nixnut
    static inline int generic_ffs(int x)
    <-> static __inline__ int ffs(int x) ?
12/20 03:35:54 hiyuh
    i donno, but this ffs looks like small function,
    so can't you try manually inline expansion?

適当な方のstaticを消すとか，
強引にinline展開するとか，
後方互換オプションに頼るとか，
回避策は色々あるケド，解決策じゃ無かったりする．:(
[To work around ways are many case,
to remove one of static declarations,
to expand inline functions by manually,
to use the option for to enable backward compat...
But, these are JUST to work around ways, are NOT to solved. :(]

12/20 03:36:27 nixnut
    hehe, nfc what that means :)
12/20 03:36:47 nixnut
    I don't code, I just break the stuff :p
12/20 03:39:42 hiyuh
    hehe, but gcc-4 + static declaration has many errors
    like that, afaik.
12/20 03:40:36 nixnut
    yeah, I found lots. A change in gcc,
    so it doesn't warn any more but dies with an error
    if I understand it correctly
12/20 03:44:23 hiyuh
    umm, gcc-4 is so far...
12/20 03:45:11 hiyuh
    it looks like good for optimize features though
12/20 03:47:20 nixnut
    mmm perhaps -Wtraditional might help
12/20 03:47:32 nixnut
    fixing the headers would be better though
12/20 03:51:47 hiyuh
    nixnut: ya, DO code. :P
12/20 03:52:12 nixnut
    hehe
12/20 03:53:19 hiyuh
    or try to put -traditional into CFLAGS or so for work around.

ひたすらコーディングですよ!
って，サボっている自分が一番やらなきゃならない事だったりして． :P
[Yay, DO code! SO code!
Mm'kay, like that said, I know I would/should DO it. :P]

GentooJP.Nomikai++;

今さっき帰って来た． :P
三次会まで着いて行ったので眠い．
起きたら続きを書きます． :P
[Well, I came back just now. :P
And I have to have some sleeping,
because We had enjoyed until 3rd party.
Then, I'll post about this things or so. :P]

取り敢えず，皆さんありがとうございます． ;)
特にidaniさんには．CFなブツを貰ったので． ;)
[Meanwhile, thanks guys. ;)
Especially, idani-san for to give me some CF stuffs. ;)]

続き：
と言ってもあんまりここに書ける事が無ぇ． :P
戦利品の画像だけ置いときますか．
[Add:
Well, I have no things which should be posted here. :P
So, I post a pic of the bunch from the Nomikai.]

Err, I had slept in LAB before I knew

寮に帰るつもりだったのに，研究室で寝てた． :P
[I wouldn't go back the 54dorm. :P]

WebESupの方はZCatalogで全文検索エンジンらしきモノを実装したつもり．
もう少しコイツの仕様に合わせた調整が必要かも．
でも，今日は例の日なので，仕事を放棄． :P
[In WebESup,
I had some stuff of full-text search engine like or so
by using ZCatalog.
It maybe needs to tune up for to be suite its spec.
But, today has the thing, I'll run away from this needs. :P]

Willcom W-ZERO3とか言うモバイルなブツが出て騒がれているみたい．
Intel製ARMコアのブツが載って3万円くらいだと美味そうには見える．
でも，あの系統の通信機器って分解／改造したら違法だった様な． :(
[I herd that Willcom has launch W-ZERO3.
That has ARM-cored CPU which Intel provided,
the price is about ¥30000.
It seems sweet for some nerd/geek use.
But, in Japan,
the products which use for communication are taken apart/hack
is maybe avoision, AFAIK. :(]

で，全然関係無いが，
[Then, it's a one of random my favorite topic.]
Embedded Ethernut
Open-Hardware/SoftwareなAtmel+Xilinxのボード．
トップの切り出しがイカス！
「私達が君達くらいの頃は8bitCPUを持ってたさ！
　あれはイイねぇ！文句無しさ！」
[This is Open-Hardware/Software Atmel+Xilinx board.
A thing someone said on the top of its page is cool!
"When I was your age, we had 8 bit CPUs!
 And we liked it! And we didn't complain!"]

PowerPC SBC, Fake Mac mini

コソコソとチェック．
[More sneaky way...]

Genesi EFIKA 5K2
海の向こうでは有名なPowerPCマシンベンダGenesiの板．
50枚で$14950って事は，1枚$299．
[Genesi EFIKA 5K2
The vender is known as PowerPC box vernder overseas from Japan.
The 50 SBCs cost $14950, so 1 SBC costs $299.]

ついでに，偽Mac mini．:P
[And then,
This is a fake Mac mini. :P]

I'll join GentooJP NOMIKAI!

GentooJPの忘年会に初参加の予定．
今から楽しみ． :)
[Ya, I'll join GentooJP NOMIKAI.
I'm looking forward to seeing them. :)]

今日は短い投稿にしとこうっと． :P
[K, today's post be short. :P]

Single Board Computers!

ちょこちょこ物色．
[Sneaky way...]

Glomation　GESBC-93xxシリーズが良さ気．
Cirrus Logic EP9302が$65．
[These Glomation　GESBC-93xx series sound like good for EP93xx user.
Cirrus Logic EP9302 SBC, it costs $65.]

GAO Research Inc Embedded Linux Boards
は良く見たらAtmark Technoの板じゃないかな？
[Eh, aren't
GAO Research Inc Embedded Linux Boards
SBCs of Atmark Techno?]

そして，
CQ出版の例のブツにLinuxが移植されるのは定めなのです． :P
[BTW, It's a karma.
The project does port Linux into the SBC is a product of CQ-publishing
had launch. :P]

It's the time of bcm43xx driver!

今日はニュース口調． :P
[Today, I have to became like a news caster. :P]

では，ニュースをお伝えします．
[Then,
this is to let you know that today's news.]

新しいタイプのPowerBook等に搭載された
Broadcom社製の無線LAN用のチップである
bcm43xxのデバイスドライバがテスト段階になりました．
[The diver of Broadcom bcm43xx is built in new PowerBook or so
updates the status to experimental.]

その模様を#gentoo-ppcからダイジェストで
お送り致します．
[The follows are some short digests of
this news from #gentoo-ppc]

12/05 01:52:06 KillerFox
    JoseJX: AE ist working now? :-)
12/05 01:52:22 JoseJX
    KillerFox: Almost
12/05 01:52:40 JoseJX
    Actually, it is, but there's a bunch of things still missing.
12/05 01:52:51 KillerFox
    oh okay :-)
12/05 01:53:04 JoseJX
    But I've browsed the internet via my bcm4306 pcmcia card. :)
12/05 01:53:41 KillerFox
    heh :-)
12/05 01:56:08 nostromo
    cool!!
12/05 01:57:27 hiyuh
    wow!

このドライバのプロジェクトメンバーであるJoseJX（敬称略）は
そのドライバを使ってさっそくIRCにログインしました．
[JoseJX who is a man of the drivers projest members
had logged in the IRC channel from the dirver.]

12/05 03:04:10 JoseJX2
    I'm IRCing from our driver. :)
12/05 03:04:12 *
    JoseJX2 dances around the room!
12/05 03:04:17 fuoco
    JoseJX2: cool !

彼はその喜びを体で表現しておりました．
[He had been dancing for expression his wild excitement.]

取り敢えず，感謝状を送っておきました．
[Meanwhile, I had sent to a letter of thanks.]

12/05 03:34:22 *
    hiyuh sends a letter of thanks to JoseJX about this working.
12/05 03:34:55 nixnut
    send a letter of credit instead :)
12/05 03:35:20 hiyuh
    heh

皆，興奮気味な様で他のニュースには目もくれない状況です．
[They ignore other news because they are plainly in a state of
wild excitement.]

12/05 03:39:45 a_l_e
    news on the cross platform side: Mac OS X 10.4.4
    emerges
    (http://www.thinksecret.com/news/0511macosx1044.html) :-))
12/05 03:41:18 nixnut
    No it doesn't.  emerge: there are no ebuilds to satisfy
    "Mac OS X 10.4.4".
12/05 03:41:49 hansmi
    Who needs Mac OS X, anyway?
12/05 03:41:54 nixnut
    indeed
12/05 03:45:34 Flameeyes
    especially when we have JoseJX :P
12/05 03:49:19 JoseJX
    :)

未だスリープ機能等に関して幾つか課題が残っている様ですが，
11Mbps以上で動くとの事．
[However,
the driver has some issues of related to sleep features or so.
But its performance is above 11Mbps.]

もし興味が有れば，取り敢えず，Gentoo Forumのこの投稿をお読み下さい．
[If you interested to this news,
please check it out the post in Gentoo Forum before ask
your question.]

There are funny guys!

今日は#gentoo-ppcなネタ．
今日はbug dayだったらしく，
自分もsandbox violationの勉強をしていたら，
#gentoo-ppcではcpw（敬称略）が死にかけていた． (:
[Today's topic comes from #gentoo-ppc too.
BTW, Today is bug day, I had heard.
So, I had read the document about sandbox violation,
When cpw is dying. (:]

12/04 02:13:30 *
   cpw looks around and continues to die
12/04 02:13:42 *
   nixnut helps cpw along
12/04 02:13:49 nixnut
   have some nice blue pills chum
12/04 02:17:35 JoseJX
   cpw: Aww, why are you dying?
12/04 02:17:45 cpw
   I went to sleep at 3:30
12/04 02:17:55 cpw
   woke up at 8:00
12/04 02:18:02 nixnut
   gah
12/04 02:18:07 cpw
   half of me wants to die
12/04 02:18:16 *
   nixnut knows the feeling
12/04 02:18:18 cpw
   half of me wants to watch syoujo anime
12/04 02:18:31 *
   nixnut doesn't know _that_ feeling
12/04 02:18:43 nixnut
   :)
12/04 02:18:57 JoseJX
   I'm with nixnut on that one. :)
12/04 02:19:12 JoseJX
   cpw: Watching things is pretty relaxing though
12/04 02:19:17 JoseJX
   cpw: I think you'll be okay
12/04 02:19:26 *
   nixnut feels like his kid brother just showed up :)
12/04 02:19:31 JoseJX
   haha
12/04 02:19:35 cpw
   nixnut: let me help
12/04 02:19:46 cpw
   nixnut: It'll help me wakeup
12/04 02:19:46 cpw
   :P
12/04 02:20:55 nixnut
   cpw: heh, watch the anime dude and crash in front of
   the screen.
12/04 02:21:04 cpw
   sweet, this next episode is just packed with angst
12/04 02:21:07 cpw
   angst++
12/04 02:22:55 *
   nixnut points to cpw

一通りログを見て笑った後，夜食を買いに行こうかと思い立つ．
お遣い，お遣い．:)
[After the lol event,
I'd be going to get something to eat.
Errand, errand. :)]

12/04 02:22:43 *
   hiyuh is very hungry...
12/04 02:23:01 Trizt
   hiyuh; when you fix food, make me some too
12/04 02:27:40 *
   hiyuh is going to get something to eat, also for Trizt.
12/04 02:27:56 Trizt
   :) thanks

で，戻ってくると．
[Then, when I had came back...]

12/04 02:33:29 mabi
   i just had some food :) feeling way too bloated now...
12/04 02:33:53 nixnut
   hehe
12/04 02:33:59 mabi
   that's what poor code must feel like
12/04 02:34:02 *
   nixnut is slightly stuffed too
12/04 02:34:04 mabi
   annoying
12/04 02:34:36 cpw
   -mabi=bloated openoffice.cpp
12/04 02:35:18 nixnut
   risotto would be nice
12/04 02:49:35 *
   hiyuh returns with some rice balls on his hands.

皆，適当に喰ったみたい．
[They had stuff something, almost.]

で，今度はfuoco（敬称略）からntpが巧く動かないと言う話に．
[And then,
fuoco starts talking about ntp issues.]

12/04 02:56:23 fuoco
   for some reason my clock is not set correctly,
   even though I use ntpd
12/04 02:56:36 nixnut
   fuoco: yeah, here too
12/04 02:57:07 nixnut
   ntp is behind the times o.O
12/04 02:57:08 fuoco
   nixnut: any idea what's wrong with ntpd ?
12/04 02:57:25 nixnut
   fuoco: no idea
12/04 02:57:36 fuoco
   nixnut: what's the time on yours ?
12/04 02:57:53 nixnut
   fuoco: 18:53
12/04 02:58:09 nixnut
   my alarmclock says 18:58
12/04 02:58:22 fuoco
   mine says 19:42
12/04 02:58:30 fuoco
   should be about 20:00
12/04 02:58:33 mabi
   and right is 18:59 :-P
12/04 02:58:35 nixnut
   whoo

皆海外だから全然JSTとは合ってないので注意．
午前三時におにぎり片手にIRC！ ;)
[Notice, almost of them are overseas of japan.
So, It's NOT really match the time they said to JST.
I'm on IRC at 03:00 AM with a rice ball on my hands! ;)]

12/04 03:01:44 *
   hiyuh is on 03:00 AM
12/04 03:02:52 *
   nixnut starts talking about his room temperature, humidity etc
12/04 03:03:17 *
   JoseJX puts nixnut in the microwave
12/04 03:03:27 nixnut
   wheeee nuke nuke nuke
12/04 03:04:06 *
   nixnut 's steel nerves makes the microwave explode
12/04 03:04:44 nixnut
   pffooey, hard work spelling
12/04 03:04:47 *
   nixnut gives up

話の収拾が着かなくなったnixnut（敬称略）は，
JoseJX（敬称略）に電子レンジでチンされて仕舞いましたとさ．:D
[Oh-ho,
JoseJX had put nixnut who makes to get screwed the thing
in the microwave.
Then, he had been cooked. :D]

PARR up to date!

と言う訳で，PARRを色々更新した．
yaPyWiki を頑張って書かねば．
[So, I had done up to date my own web site PARR.
I'll have to put my efforts into yaPyWiki.]

nakano さんに blog を見付けられたらしい．
イイカゲンな事が書けなくなって仕舞った． :P
[nakano-san had found my blog.
So, I should not post like crap here. :P]

Maverick Crunch is SO Far...

相変わらず，#gentoo-embeddedネタ．
Dario, psm, solar（敬称略）と話した．
[Same topic via #gentoo-embedded.
Today, I had talked with Dario, psm, solar.]

Dario は GNU gcc + uClibc で Maverick Crunch を
インプリしようと頑張っているみたい．
[Dario would correct implement Maverick Crunch
by using GNU gcc + uClibc.]

11/29 20:18:53 Dario
    Hello everybody :)
11/29 20:19:22 hiyuh
    hey, Dario ;)
11/29 20:22:59 Dario
    When compiling a stage2 gcc for my own toolchain I have an error
11/29 20:23:10 Dario
    in gcc/libstdc++-v3/configure
11/29 20:23:18 Dario
    Here is the config.log file:
11/29 20:23:25 Dario
    http://pastebin.com/442094
11/29 20:24:05 Dario
    The error log starts at line 174
11/29 20:25:38 Dario
    I think this is due to a wrong uclibc installation, right?
11/29 20:26:01 Dario
    But I would like to know what I did wrong...
11/29 20:27:15 hiyuh
    Dario: hum, isnt it one of headers problems, afaik.
11/29 20:29:14 Dario
    In fact it's not a "header xxx not found" error
11/29 20:30:01 Dario
    like I had expected it to be
11/29 20:30:55 Dario
    Mmm.. I need psm. He certainly knows..
11/29 20:32:22 hiyuh
    ya, ask psm more than me. its better. :(

と言う訳で，
GNU gcc 内部に詳しい psm の登場待ち．
[So, we are patient til psm comes back.]

そこに solar が興味深い情報を提供してくれた． :)
[When, solar suggests to us his exp. :)]

11/29 20:32:34 solar
    libstdc++-v3  never worked on any uclibc install afaik
11/29 20:33:04 hiyuh
    it needs uclibc++?
11/29 20:33:21 Dario
    So a failed configure is ok?
11/29 20:33:46 solar
    whatever depends on it. try to remove the dep.
11/29 20:33:59 solar
    libstdc++-v3 is a hack anyway for bin compat with older gcc
11/29 20:34:14 solar
    a stop gap ebuild more or less
11/29 20:36:48 Dario
    solar: I'm building gcc from sources, not using an ebuild
11/29 20:37:06 Dario
    So is there a way to tell gcc not to build libstdc++?
11/29 20:39:30 solar
    yeah skip the dep
11/29 20:39:38 solar
    or merge the pkg in question with -O
11/29 20:39:50 solar
    or edit the ebuild and remove the line in question
11/29 20:39:59 solar
    or --inject it
11/29 20:40:16 *
    Dario remembers solar he is building gcc from sources
11/29 20:40:47 solar
    gentoo building with sources ?
11/29 20:40:54 solar
    I think redhat does not
11/29 20:40:57 Dario
    manual building with sources
11/29 20:41:00 solar
    but surely not gentoo
11/29 20:41:02 solar
    :)
11/29 20:41:14 hiyuh
    eh, isnt it "--enable-languages=c,c++" to "--enable-languases=c"?
11/29 20:41:19 solar
    oh. via the non ebuild?
11/29 20:41:42 Dario
    ./configure blah blah blah; make; make install
11/29 20:41:46 Dario
    This stuff
11/29 20:42:09 Dario
    hiyuh: so I should disable c++ at all?
11/29 20:42:13 solar
    I was kidding with you
11/29 20:42:20 Dario
    :)
11/29 20:42:40 solar
    do you need c++ right now? if not the above is quite acceptable
11/29 20:42:54 solar
    thats more or less what out USE=nocxx flag does
11/29 20:42:58 solar
    our
11/29 20:43:04 Dario
    Yes, I should compile or the system with that compiler
11/29 20:43:26 Dario
    I need c++
11/29 20:44:01 Dario
    I've used the same configuration options that are used by crossdev
11/29 20:44:06 Dario
    with the same configuration.
11/29 20:44:25 Dario
    Only that I've changed the installation paths
11/29 20:44:33 Dario
    Maybe the problem is there

と言う訳で，
Darioのケースでは C++ なライブラリのサポートが必要な為，
やはり psm 待ちになった． :(
ちょっとトリッキーな疑問を一つ投げて，
間を持たせてみた． :P
[So, in his case, it requires C++ library support.
We are re-patient till psm comes back. :(
Then, I asked a tricky question for to fill the dull time. :P]

11/29 20:55:50 hiyuh
    umm, if build gcc w/ glibc for cross compiler, the cross compiler cannt
    build uClibc for the target?
11/29 20:58:37 Dario
    hiyuh: I think yes. To build uClibc it's enough a stage 1 gcc it doesn't
    matter what libc you have IMHO
11/29 21:02:05 hiyuh
    Dario: heh, thx.
11/29 21:10:56 Dario
    solar, hiyuh: thanks, I've just realized that also the gcc built with crossdev
11/29 21:11:08 Dario
    fails when configuring libstdc++.
11/29 21:11:36 Dario
    So this should be perfectly fine :)
11/29 21:15:12 hiyuh
    :)
11/29 21:20:03 solar
     if you say so.
11/29 21:20:06 solar
    good luck.
11/29 21:32:11 Dario
    solar: yes, the errors in configure are the same but libstdcc++ gets
    built anyway

で，psm 登場．
そして，上手い説明，凄い！ :o
[Yeah, psm comes back.
And his suggestion is always cool! :o]

11/29 23:58:53 psm
    Dario: lines 302 and 392 are your troubles probably, it seems that your build
    env mixed glibc/uclibc libs
11/30 00:00:35 hiyuh
    psm: heh, lib mix? header mix?
11/30 00:00:58 psm
    lib mix
11/30 00:01:33 psm
    header could be too, that DSO failure means very bad things are happening,
    unusable
11/30 00:02:02 *
    hiyuh is gazig the log...
11/30 00:03:11 Dario
    psm: I'm compiling gcc with --with-sysroot= pointing to a directory
11/30 00:03:21 Dario
    where only the uclibc libraries are present
11/30 00:03:53 Dario
    Could this be a problem?
11/30 00:06:27 hiyuh
    Dario: but the compiler (which use for to build the cross compiler) might search
    its own headers(which is out side of sysroot)?
11/30 00:06:59 Dario
    More probably those DSO failure could be caused by my gcc hacks..
11/30 00:07:03 psm
    Dario: if you want to reinvent wheel, do it, else for a cross-compiler
    use crossdev
11/30 00:07:33 Dario
    psm: you know, I'm in big troubles since I've got to modify gcc for my needs :-(
11/30 00:07:45 Dario
    There is nothing that works out of the box for me ...
11/30 00:08:14 psm
    why ?
11/30 00:08:55 Dario
    Becouse of that Maverick crunch coprocessor
11/30 00:09:03 Dario
    which has bugged support in gcc 4.0
11/30 00:09:24 Dario
    And has an incompatible ABI with standard arm processors, since it uses
11/30 00:09:36 Dario
    floating point registers to pass variables to functions
11/30 00:10:04 hiyuh
    umm, Maverick crunch is so far...
11/30 00:11:07 Dario
    It's a DISASTER  \o/
11/30 00:12:16 psm
    Dario: what about trying then to use softfloat instead ?
11/30 00:12:52 Dario
    psm: Yes, I know.. But I've got to deal with multimedia applications
11/30 00:13:12 Dario
    and it's really a pity not to use the coprocessor which has been
11/30 00:13:36 Dario
    put for those pourposes
11/30 00:14:11 Dario
    I don't know... I'm looking at the code...
11/30 00:14:13 hiyuh
    this feature in chip but not available... too sad...
11/30 00:14:34 Dario
    Maybe I'll be able to correct this..
11/30 00:14:43 Dario
    Maybe not, who knows..
11/30 00:15:14 psm
    I would patch within gentoo what changes you need for gcc/binutils ...,
    but use crossdev finally, else you can fail at too many places
11/30 00:15:29 psm
    don't leave tested ground where you are not forced to
11/30 00:16:01 Dario
    psm: ok, thanks for the tip
11/30 00:16:23 Dario
    Up to now I've got a script which configures gcc exactly in the way
11/30 00:16:28 Dario
    crossdev does
11/30 00:17:04 Dario
    Actually it builds binutils, gcc, uclibc (patched), gcc stage2
11/30 00:21:01 hiyuh
    Dario: btw, the chip you have is *just* ep9312? i have ep9315.
11/30 00:22:02 hiyuh
    i know ep9315 has maverick, but is it lib compat?
11/30 00:22:33 Dario
    hiyuh: I have an ep 9315 as well. From a instruction set point of view these
    are equivalent.
11/30 00:24:00 hiyuh
    Dario: heh, you are my guru, i hope you correct this implement!
11/30 00:24:31 Dario
    hiyuh: If I'm your guru, then good luck to you!  :)
11/30 00:24:42 hiyuh
    :)

こっちは滅茶苦茶に期待していますよ，先生！ :)
[Yup, I really hope my guru do it! :)]

A Episode from #gentoo-embedded #2

面白いので，こう言う感じで続けて行こうかな？
ネタには困らんし． :P
[It's a interested to me like a that.
I have too many issues related its stuff. :P]

今日はHali_303さんから，
コンパクトフラッシュ関連の話題になった．
[Today,
I have talked with Hali_303 about CompactFlash related issues.]

11/29 00:31:54 *
    Hali_303 (n=surfk@sclauto.scl.sztaki.hu) has joined #gentoo-embedded
11/29 00:32:00 Hali_303
    hi
11/29 00:32:13 Hali_303
    anyone used a compact flash as a boot medium?
11/29 00:32:50 Hali_303
    when I have a compact flash in my system, during bootup the kernel halts for a
    few seconds and prints dma_timer_expiry

と言う訳で，DMA の問題が起きていた様です．
こう言う場合は，
　Kernel 側の自動認識に誤りが有るか，
　ドライバに問題が有るか，
　ハードウェアに問題があるか，
と言う所が疑えるでしょう．
[So, he has DMA's issues.
In this case, it cause that
　Kernel's some auto detection feature failed,
　The driver is not completely implementation,
　Just a got bad hardware....
these are in a major oder in my mind.]

11/29 00:34:42 hiyuh
    Hali_303, isnt it a your target's kernel or drivers implementation issues?
11/29 00:38:33 hiyuh
    Hali_303, or you *just* got bad compact flash. i know the driver works fine one,
    but the driver work *not* fine another one.
11/29 00:43:33 Hali_303
    hiyuh: what driver do you mean?
11/29 00:43:51 Hali_303
    I have a geode GX1 target (i586 MMX compatible)
11/29 00:44:05 Hali_303
    and the CF card can be accessed as a regular IDE drive
11/29 00:44:13 Hali_303
    (the bios also sees it)
11/29 00:48:22 hiyuh
    i mean "the driver is you selected (it might be found in kernel menu
    configuration), then your target use for your cf"
11/29 00:51:23 hiyuh
    storage device's driver and/or enabled dma has implementation issues sometimes,
    i know
11/29 00:52:42 hiyuh
    it coz driver's bug and/or to got bad device
11/29 00:53:38 hiyuh
    so, havent you tried to disable dma?

と言う訳で，
この問題を回避する為に取り敢えずDMAを無効にしてみる事を提案．
[Then,
I gave him some suggestions for to work around this issue to disable the DMA.]

11/29 01:07:13 Hali_303
    hiyuh: according to hdparm, DMA is disabled
11/29 01:08:19 hiyuh
    Hali_303: hum, its a *just* new release hardware?
11/29 01:10:29 *
    hiyuh has little knowledge about geode
11/29 01:13:33 hiyuh
    Hali_303: some new released hardwares have a bit of driver's issues.
    sorry, its just one of generally knowledge. :(
11/29 01:15:30 Hali_303
    hiyuh: it's a pretty old advantech geode board
11/29 01:16:31 hiyuh
    Hali_303: can i get its spec?
11/29 01:18:45 Hali_303
    http://www.advantech.com.tw/products/Model_Detail.asp?model_id=1-TQMK6&BU=ACG&PD=
11/29 01:29:25 hiyuh
    Hali_303: i just got its spec. :)
11/29 01:29:29 *
    hiyuh is reading the pdf.
11/29 01:31:40 hiyuh
    Hali_303: the board has Ultra DMA33 interface. its a cf interface, right?
11/29 01:35:22 hiyuh
    Hali_303: umm, your kernel or driver has "dma auto detect is default" feature
    or so? isnt it might be failed?

で，解決しました． :)
[Mm'kay, he got a solution. :)]

11/29 02:20:06 Hali_303
    hiyuh: I've got the solution
11/29 02:20:40 Hali_303
    hiyuh: I had to do two things: in the kernel setup, I've enabled "multi mode by
    default" and to the kernel command line, I've added hda=none hdb=none
11/29 02:20:47 Hali_303
    (since the flash is hdc)
11/29 02:22:16 hiyuh
    Hali_303: ah-ha, wilco.
11/29 02:23:11 hiyuh
    Hali_303: have fun your embedded stuff! :)
11/29 02:24:24 Hali_303
    hiyuh: thx! I've also disabled DMA to be sure, but I guess I can re-enable it,
    since the previous two solved it
11/29 02:35:51 hiyuh
    Hali_303: no problem, but im hungry. :P
11/29 02:35:55 *
    hiyuh will go to get something to eat.

この後，
セブンイレブンでラーメンとおにぎりを買ってきて，
それを喰いながらこれ書いてました． :)
[After the event,
I bought a noodle and a rice ball at 7-11.
Then, I came back and post it now. :)]

A Episode from #gentoo-embedded

また一人，uClibcな犠牲者が一人．．．
[Then, I saw a man sacrifices for uClibc...]

11/28 06:16:34 zmedico
    I built a i386-pc-linux-uclibc toolchain with crossdev and when I emerge dropbear
    with ROOT=/somedir dies during configure because it can't find zlib.  If I add
    LDFLAGS="-L${ROOT}/lib" and CFLAGS="${CFLAGS} -I${ROOT}/usr/include" to the
    ebuild then it works but should that be necessary?
11/28 06:22:26 zmedico
    I know that ROOT= isn't allways well supported but I just looking for pointers...
11/28 06:28:48 hiyuh
    zmedico: umm, check your --host and --build option when configuration library for
    your taregt, or ${CC} and ${CXX} also
11/28 06:32:20 hiyuh
    NON-PREFIXed executable commands (like ${CC} as "gcc") generates architecture
    specific object is VERY harmful...
11/28 06:32:21 zmedico
    hiyuh: thanks, I'm pretty sure --host and --build were set properly in econf by
    CHOST and CBUILD but let me check on the CC and CXX too...
11/28 06:32:55 zmedico
    m'kay
11/28 06:37:26 hiyuh
    and check portage's FEATURES variable. if it contain sandbox or usersandbox,
    remove it then cross re-emerging
11/28 06:37:45 zmedico
    ahh
11/28 06:45:42 hiyuh
    but i use crossdev+distcc+nfs tricks for my almost embedded stuff. i haven't used
    ROOT+crossdev tricks for all embedded stuff.
11/28 06:46:42 *
    hiyuh is a embedded newbie, dont trust him. :P
11/28 06:47:06 zmedico
    ahh, so what I'm trying hasn't actually worked for you ;)
11/28 06:47:32 zmedico
    config.log says CC='i386-pc-linux-uclibc-gcc'
11/28 06:51:28 hiyuh
    mm, what did config.log said for your error? just zlib not found?
11/28 06:52:12 zmedico
     /usr/lib/gcc/i386-pc-linux-uclibc/3.4.4/../../../../i386-pc-linux-uclibc/bin/ld:
     cannot find -lz
11/28 06:53:24 *
    zmedico suspects that many ebuilds are broken with respect to ROOT=/somedir
    cross compilation...

で，Dario さんが少し助けてくれた．
[And then, Dario makes a bit of to help.]

11/28 06:54:05 Dario
    zmedico: there are lots of ebuilds that don't compile with the ROOT cross
    compilation trick
11/28 06:54:27 Dario
    Or at least this is my personal experience...
11/28 06:54:55 Dario
    Some of them are nearly impossible to cross-compile,
11/28 06:55:18 Dario
    since, like xorg, use a particular build system
11/28 06:55:36 hiyuh
    zmedico: mm, just execute "i386-pc-linux-eclibc -v", its output lack of
    --with-system-zlib?
11/28 06:56:01 hiyuh
    hi, Dario
11/28 06:56:13 Dario
    hi hiyuh :)
11/28 06:57:22 Dario
    zmedico: so prepare to tweak these variables very often  :-)
11/28 07:00:29 *
    hiyuh is making powerpc's faketoo on x86_64 server for fighting some horibble
    beast's library
11/28 07:00:33 zmedico
    Dario: thanks for the info.  Do you normally just tweak the ebuilds then?  If so,
    do ebuild maintainers typically accept patches to fix this kind of thing?
11/28 07:02:57 Dario
    zmedico: sometimes tweaking the ebuilds isn't worth it, imho. Better compiling
    natively..
11/28 07:03:33 Dario
    But in some situations compiling natively becomes too time consuming and I try
11/28 07:04:02 Dario
    to make crossdev work with that package..
11/28 07:04:27 hiyuh
    zmedico: one more info, some vanilla security related stuff is severe test when
    configure and/or install, i remember
11/28 07:04:59 hiyuh
    it is harmfull when cross compiling...
11/28 07:05:00 Dario
    I've spent lots of time on cross-compilation issues, but I don't feel to have all
    the answers, sorry
11/28 07:06:13 Dario
    In this channel there are people who know this stuff much more than me.
11/28 07:06:46 zmedico
    well, thanks anyways ;)
11/28 07:06:55 hiyuh
    ya, more than me.

と言う訳で，結局解決出来無いと言う情けないオチ．:(
[But, this problem cold not solve, how shame. :(]

その後，少しGNU GCCについての話になるが．．．
[After, I have talked a bit of about GNU GCC...]

11/28 07:07:32 *
    hiyuh wants to more hack power...
11/28 07:08:25 *
    Dario needs more hack power, which is worse ;-P
11/28 07:10:41 *
    Dario also needs knowledge of gcc internals for the arm platforms, since the
    processor he has to use isn't supported properly
11/28 07:12:43 hiyuh
    yap, some usefull apps have huge code size. so it is too complex to understand.
11/28 07:15:02 Dario
    hiyuh: It's not that it's a so huge code size, It's that gcc is all about macros.
    And you have to know them otherwise you don't understand what the hell the code
    does
11/28 07:16:52 hiyuh
    heh
11/28 07:21:47 hiyuh
    when i heve seen the gcc code is just when some problem happend.  and that i have
    only seen almost configuration related files. :(
11/28 07:38:49 Dario
    hiyuh: when someone ends up looking at the gcc code, then something bad is going
    on...
11/28 07:42:58 hiyuh
    Dario: ya, i know that's we are :(

と言う訳で，あんまり面白くないオチ．:(
[Well, It's just NOT funny for us. :(]

A Episode from #gentoo-ppc

#gentoo-ppc での或る出来事．
尚，このIRCのログには日本語を付けません．
長いから． :P
[There is a episode from #gentoo-ppc.
Meantime, I didn't translate to Japanese this IRC logs.
It's a bit of long for me. :P]

11/27 04:25:09 BearPerson
    excuse me, would anyone here be willing to share some experience/advice to a fellow
    source-distro developer about ppc installer CDs?
11/27 04:25:39 BearPerson
    mine keep stopping to boot just before the framebuffer is initialized
11/27 04:26:10 BearPerson
    strangely enough, the very same CD works on a different ppc box just fine
11/27 04:30:29 nixnut
    BearPerson: no idea, have you tried a gentoo cd on both machines?
11/27 04:31:17 BearPerson
    no, the one machine where it didn't work is my team lead's, we could try there,
    the machine where it works was a normal user, no idea where he's off to
11/27 04:31:43 BearPerson
    also, an ISO with 2.6.12 kernel booted, while one with 2.6.13 didn't
11/27 04:36:14 BearPerson
    but there wouldn't be some community knowledge you could share? I'm pretty new to
    making ppc ISOs, and might be falling into some or other almost-obvious pitfall
11/27 04:38:26 nixnut
    BearPerson: well, I don't build those things myself, just consume them when I need
    to install on a new maching. I think JoseJX and Pylon would be the people to talk
    to.
11/27 04:38:47 hansmi
    All you need are the catalyst spec files (available via viewcvs) and catalyst
    itself.
11/27 04:39:28 nixnut
    yeah, but that's pretty gentoo centric, eh? :)
11/27 04:39:33 JoseJX
    BearPerson: Is it a nvidia card?
11/27 04:39:47 hansmi
    nixnut: We're in a Gentoo channel.
11/27 04:39:50 JoseJX
    BearPerson: I'll bet you're having Framebuffer issues on boot
11/27 04:39:53 BearPerson
    not sure...
11/27 04:39:58 BearPerson
    JoseJX, yes, I am
11/27 04:40:00 nixnut
    hansmi: damn! really?
11/27 04:40:12 JoseJX
    BearPerson: That's almost definitely the problem then
11/27 04:40:23 BearPerson
    nvidia cards not properly supported?
11/27 04:40:28 JoseJX
    BearPerson: Try playing with the video= kernel append value
11/27 04:40:40 BearPerson
    ah, will do, thanks
11/27 04:40:44 hansmi
    video=ofonly should work on every card, but might be slow
11/27 04:40:44 JoseJX
    bbiab
11/27 04:42:02 BearPerson
    ah, hmm... I don't even have framebuffer drivers for nvidia compiled into the
    kernel... that probably is the problem :-)
11/27 04:45:15 BearPerson
    video=ofonly doesn't boot properly in pearpc either, but then again, I've been told
    that pearpc is near-total garbage for this kind of stuff
11/27 04:49:19 nixnut
    BearPerson: yah, having an emulator emulate the OF framebuffer too might be asking
    a bit too much :)
11/27 05:28:37 BearPerson
    just a question, would my problems be obviously caused by missing the nvidia
    framebuffer driver in the kernel config?
11/27 06:47:29 JoseJX
    BearPerson: It's a common problem to not have it boot if you don't have the proper
    framebuffer device, PPC requires it.
11/27 06:49:03 BearPerson
    so likely the problem was just that I forgot to build all (or most) framebuffer
    devices into the kernel?
11/27 06:52:04 JoseJX
    BearPerson: Yeah, depends on your target, but it's best to compile in support for
    as many as possible.
11/27 06:52:16 BearPerson
    As I said when I came in... I'm very likely missing something dead obvious :-)
11/27 06:52:42 BearPerson
    thanks a lot :-)
11/27 06:53:20 BearPerson
    ... and thanks for not flaming me out the door, everyone ;-)
11/27 06:53:53 BearPerson
    if you ever happen to need some bash script, I'd be happy to help you :-)
11/27 06:55:10 JoseJX
    BearPerson: BTW, it would probably be worth it to look through our forums, we deal
    with a lot of common kernel problems because everyone compiles their own.
11/27 06:55:28 BearPerson
    heh, that's true :-)
11/27 06:55:52 JoseJX
    Which distro are you working on?
11/27 06:55:58 BearPerson
    I've had someone on x86 today whose kernel wouldn't boot because of some built-in
    RAID driver
11/27 06:56:12 BearPerson
    Source Mage... /me points to cloak (or to channel list) ;-)

良いね，こう言うの． :)
[Yum, how nice. :)]

11/27 06:56:13 nixnut
    BearPerson: yeah, and if you find duplicates you can point them out to me so I can
    clean up :p
11/27 06:56:32 BearPerson
    duplicates where?
11/27 06:56:54 nixnut
    BearPerson: in the forums, duplicate posts dealing with the same problem. But just
    kidding :)
11/27 06:57:00 BearPerson
    :)
11/27 06:57:45 BearPerson
    we recently had to restore the last few months of our bugzilla due to a hard drive
    crash... recovered from the bugzilla change notification mails... we have duplicate
    messages all over the place :-/
11/27 06:58:01 nixnut
    BearPerson: ouch
11/27 06:58:22 BearPerson
    was probably the sickest script I ever wrote
11/27 06:58:26 JoseJX
    heh
11/27 06:58:27 nixnut
    hehe

どこでも同じだなぁ． :)
[Heh, I have seen like the things . :)]

Amazing HIRA Method!

Armadillo-9 を封印するとこう言うネタが尽きない件について．
[I wonder,
when ONLY sealed down my embedded stuff
I JUST salvage some topics like that.]

それは，ソースコードを読む手法の一つ．
ひらメソッド
[This is one of to read the source code: HIRA Method]

普通に感心，凄い．
利用制限をかけない事が利用制限らしい．
そのうち真似するか． :P
[Amazing, Yum-Yum...
He said,
The license of this method is "NOT to restrict to use the method".
I'll try it at some future day. :P]

GNU GCC Support Cirrus Logic Maverick Crunch Optimisation

Armadillo-9 は封印したけど，少し出し遅れた関連ネタ．
[Armadillo-9 was sealed down.
But this topic is related it.]

Armadillo-9 に載っている Cirrus Logic EP9315は，
Maverick Crunch Co-Processor と言う FPU が付属している．
[Armadillo-9 is Cirrus Logic EP9315 CPU borad.
EP9315 has Maverick Crunch Co-Processor as FPU.]

で，ネタと言うのは，
GNU GCC に関するこのFPU 向けに最適化するオプションの
バグに関するお話．
[Then,
this topic is when building GNU GCC for
to optimise this FPU's option,
it happens some bugs.]

このバグレポートを出したDario Massarinさん，
以前 #gentoo-embedded で少し話した所，
彼は，GNU as でフルアセンブルな Maverick Crunch 用の
アプリを作る強者だった． :o
GNU GCC 4.0.x のドキュメントに EP93xx の最適化オプションを発見し，
早速チャレンジして，巧く行かずこのバグレポートを出したらしい．
[Dario Massarin reported this bug.
I have talked with him via IRC on #gentoo-embedded
about this FPU features.
I think he is nice guy because he had made an application
which coding completely GNU as for Maverrick Crunch. :o
He had found the optimisation options related this features
in GNU GCC 4.0.x documents,
and he had tried it, but it build failed.]

で，Richard Earnshawさんから
この御返事，対応が早ーい！ :o
当の本人もこの驚き様． :P
[And then,
Richard Earnshaw replied.
Oh-ho, SO FAST! :o
Dario Massarin surprised.]

その後，
もう一個バグが出たみたいだけど，
巧く行ったのかな？
あとで訊いておこうっと． :)
[Later,
it seems new bug comes.
Now, didn't it works about this features?
I want to talk about this things if there is a next time. :)]